Cross Over Fight: Goku vs Superman


Let me lay the foundation of reality, all these fights will be determined by that which determines all outcomes in our own reality, circumstance.

Part of circumstance is chance, so I can't say that my analysis is absolute, because with chance present any result is possible. Either of the fighters could get lucky regardless of how outmatched they might be. This doesn't mean I'm shying away from answering the question, merely I recognize that until two characters actually fight such a debate is merely my hypothesis, an informed opinion but not proven fact.

To truly test who is the best we have to remove any "home field advantage" they might have, we need a neutral playing field. Which, for this fight will be an uninhabited Earth like planet with similar gravity, natural features, and yellow sun. Since both of these fighters are known for physical prowess above all else, the intricate details of a population center or technology is not needed to even out the fight. This contest is a straight forward as it comes, two opponents hit each other repeatedly till one of them loses.  Because of this is such a high powered fight between two characters who are keenly aware of collateral damage, the planet needs to be uninhabited so they can fight without restraint, there by allowing us to get a legitimate answer.

(Note: This also keeps kryptonite, and other such weaknesses, out of the equation. Since Goku doesn't NEED to level the playing field against Superman's strength, it's presence would be an unfair advantage.)




Now with the stage set, let's look at our actors. Bare in mind that these characters have both changed over time and we will be examining them in their various different incarnations and powers present in each.


First we have the man of steel, Superman. You have the Golden Age Supes who could jump high and 
far but not fly. He could lift a car but that was about his limit. Next we have the Silver Age/pre-crisis Supes who was all powerful. He was practically the most powerful being in his universe, punching planets going back in time by flying backwards. My favorite incarnation is the current or Obsidian/post-crisis Superman. Strength limit of several hundred thousand tons, could fly at near light speed but can't shatter time and space boundaries, heat vision etc, and is capable of withstanding nuclear explosions but not completely invulnerable.




Next we have Goku. Goku has gone through constant training and growth and his power level is relative to when and what level he chooses to fight at. During the Saiyan saga he was the pound for pound best fighter on earth, not necessarily the strongest. Strong but not yet the mind numbing level of power people associate with him. This is more or less his "normal". Next we have SSJ, now we're starting to talk about some serious ability. Capable of destroying planets yes, but that feat would require effort at this level. SSJ2, planetary destruction is potentially accidental. SSJ3, planetary destruction is likely. SSJ4, it's inevitable.
I don't know to discount silver age Superman and SSJ4 Goku because of their truly ridiculous powers or have them face off. While I think about we'll start bottom up...

Golden Age Supes vs "Normal" Goku:In terms of physical strength and durability they're pretty even. Goku has the advantage of speed because at this point Superman is as fast as a bullet, Goku is shown to be faster. More specifically Goku's combat speed is well out of Superman's league. This advantage is present on all levels, granted it decreases dramatically. Superman may fly faster but Goku can land twenty times as many hits. Which doesn't even apply here, seeing that Superman can't fly but Goku can. As general rule if the physical combat is matched then Goku's ki gives him the edge. But in this instance the combat is not really close because in addition to combat speed Goku has skill and training in conjunction with the speed. This advantage is also present on all the levels but the gap never shrinks.

Result: Goku wins a good fight, was my initial reaction but in all honesty it's not that close. On pure strength alone it's a lot like Goku's first fight against Piccolo (Jr. not king), but when you account for the skill and speed Goku simply outclasses Superman here.

Obsidian Age Supes vs SSJ Goku:
Undoubtedly the best fight of the bunch, they don't get any more evenly matched than this. Superman is faster but Goku's combat speed is insane. Superman is physically stronger and tougher but with his ki techniques Goku makes up the difference. Defensively Superman has a clear advantage but offensively is outclassed. This is like the 2000 Ravens, arguably the best defense in football history, playing a game against the 2007 Patriots, the best offense in football history. The fight comes down to "can Superman dish out enough punishment to match what he takes?", vice versa, "can Goku take what he dishes out?" Supes can win by atrition so long as the Kamehameha doesn't wipe him out. Goku can win by landing a couple good ki blasts but cannot afford to miss, otherwise depleting his own strength.


Obsidian Age Supes vs SSJ Goku:
Undoubtedly the best fight of the bunch, they don't get any more evenly matched than this. Superman is faster but Goku's combat speed is insane. Superman is physically stronger and tougher but with his ki techniques Goku makes up the difference. Defensively Superman has a clear advantage but offensively is outclassed. This is like the 2000 Ravens, arguably the best defense in football history, playing a game against the 2007 Patriots, the best offense in football history. The fight comes down to "can Superman dish out enough punishment to match what he takes?", vice versa, "can Goku take what he dishes out?" Supes can win by atrition so long as the Kamehameha doesn't wipe him out. Goku can win by landing a couple good ki blasts but cannot afford to miss, otherwise depleting his own strength.

Result: This is one could easily go either way. Honestly I would call this a draw but since I don't want to call a draw. I very very very tenatively give it to Superman. Much like Superman vs Doomsday.

Obsidian Age Supes vs SSJ2 Goku: Same man of steel against an ascended saiyan, who is now faster, stronger, and tougher than before by some measure. Superman is still the more durable but at this level it doesn't matter. He's lucky if he lands a punch. It's like the 2000 Ravens vs Israeli special forces.


Obsidian Age Supes vs SSJ2 Goku:Same man of steel against an ascended saiyan, who is now faster, stronger, and tougher than before by some measure. Superman is still the more durable but at this level it doesn't matter. He's lucky if he lands a punch. It's like the 2000 Ravens vs Israeli special forces.
Result: This one is ugly, like Heidy Montage ugly. Goku wins in a slaughter.

Silver Age Superman vs SSJ2 Goku:
This reminds me of Goku vs Cell. The opponents are matched in strength but one just can't do any damage to the other. Goku still has the ever present advantage of combat speed but now Supes can physically outclass Goku. Techinically the Kamehameha is much more powerful than anything Superman has up his sleeve but it's irrelevant, he take more than Goku can dish out.


Silver Age Superman vs SSJ2 Goku:
This reminds me of Goku vs Cell. The opponents are matched in strength but one just can't do any damage to the other. Goku still has the ever present advantage of combat speed but now Supes can physically outclass Goku. Techinically the Kamehameha is much more powerful than anything Superman has up his sleeve but it's irrelevant, he take more than Goku can dish out.

Result: It's a good looking fight but it's never close. Superman wins without much trouble.


Obsidian Age Superman vs SSJ3 Goku:
This fight ends when Goku wants it to. Superman is truly and completely outclassed in every way possible. It's the 2000 Ravens vs Godzilla, nuff said.


Result: Even Lex Luthor would feel pitty for the man of steel.

Silver Age Superman vs SSJ3 Goku:
This reminds me of the fight against Kid Buu. Absurd amounts of damage will be exchanged. Unlike SSJ2, SSJ3 can legitimatley damage Superman but that damage is limited. Goku's only real chance is combat skill where he still puts Supes to shame. Mano y mano I just don't think it's enough. There are only three attacks that could beat Superman in Goku's arsenal at this level; kamehameha, dragon fist, and spirit bomb. Give him enough time to charge an attack and Goku could win but I just don't think he'll be given that opportunity.


Result: Great fight that the outcome is not really in question. Basically it's Superman's to lose.





So if I did my math correctly, we have:
Superman: 3
Goku: 3

Or a draw...unless we go to overtime with...

Silver Age Superman vs SSJ 4 Goku:
Well I don't know if the planet could survive Goku's transformation, let alone any of his attacks. At this point both characters are power sues, living dios ex machina. Their abilities shatter the laws of physics within their own universes. They are both meant to be invincible to some degree. I don't want to not give a verdict, but at this level the two of them present at the same time breaks the rules of my game.

Result: It's a moot point. They are meant to be beyond peer and as such it's like comparing Chuck Norris to Liam Neeson, they're presence breaks circumstance because their power is amorphous at best and undefined/absurd at worst. More simply said they are beyond compare.

I hate this, but I have to call it a draw.
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