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Why talk about it now Years after the whole 'debate' has more or less died off into irrelevance and stopped really being a 'thing' on the internet to go on about (much like Zombies seem to have finally started dying down in popularity?) Mostly because I feel like it really.From Wikipedia:
Pirates vs. Ninja is a comedic Internet and gaming meme regarding a theoretical conflict between archetypal Western pirates and Japanese ninjas, generally including arbitrary "debate" over which side would win in a fight. The meme is sometimes referred to as PvN and has a long history on the Internet. Humorist Jake Kalish writes (in the pro-ninja column) that the reason for the popularity of the meme is that "pirates and ninjas are both cool, but kind of opposite, see, because one is loud and the other ... never mind." Several competitive web sites and games based upon the ninjas vs. pirates theme appeared later, including Pirates vs. Ninjas Dodgeball.
Ninja supporters hold the position that a ninja would win over a pirate because of their superior mental and physical capabilities, as well as usage of belical gadgets such as nunchucks and shurikens. Those who support pirates argue that a pirate's use of both sword and gun would ensure their victory in battle. A real-life confrontation of European pirates with ninjas has never been recorded in history, and there is little evidence to suggest that pirates and ninja ever had hostilities. The debate has accumulated a wide following in cyberculture nonetheless (or perhaps because of this). A wide array of YouTube videos, websites, and online debate forums can be linked to the pirate vs. ninja conflict.
OK fine Fine but really, are nunchucku even weapons? I'd always gone under the impression that bruce lee more or less invinted them as a personal gimmick for his movies (sure could argue that they're an outgrowth of the grain flail of the period/place but it's more hollywood than fact.) Plus Ninja stars/shurikin. Same basic concept as a throwing knife and while the shirikin has a better chance at having a pointy end go into something a good knife would have far more applications than 'throw into guy'.
I'm not going to look too deep or dig into historic fact is of this or that in every single detail. Think of this more as a pre-coffee ramble.
What do you think of when you think Ninja? Highly trained assassin for a particular group/nobility/shogun/etc. What do you think of with Pirate? Drunken sailor. Thank you History channel for actually going into piracy for me. I'm not wanting to knock the training needed to turn your average dirt farmer into someone capable of killing but 'drunk sailor' still means you have to know how to work a ship.
When Piracy is referenced most don't talk about the raids happening in 1300 B.C. Egypt, Mediterranean raids, Vikings more or less going wherever the hell they want from England all the way to Russia. Most people, when Pirates are brought up think of the 17th century, blackbeard, Callico Jack, Anne Bonny, Captain Kidd, and ye olde black flag with skull and bones.
A ship of that era is a huge investment both in actually making and maintaining one, and training a crew on how to keep one going so it can go about it's job (be it Shipping, Fishing, Passenger travel, or carrying a crapton of gold looted from whatever heathen native culture back to the Godfearing warmongering country of your choosing.)
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The Iconic Ninja, Black Clad assassin sword in hand throwing stars in the other able to run across water. Never existed. The black clad image is from Japanese stageplays where you'd have the set hands, guys that would change the scenery around, dressed all in black so you wouldn't focus on them. Occasionally you'd have one actually be part of the play itself, come out on stage with the audience thinking 'oh hey just a backgrounc guy dong some- ohmygodishestabbingsomebody?' All part of the play mind you. Sure all black head to toe does lend itself to stealth but your 'real' ninjas were farmers mostly recruited from the fields or wherever and they blended in by looking like anyone else.
So, if Ninjas never were all that prevalent or written about why are they so popular? Same goes with Pirates. Piracy as we imagine it only lasted for a brief time and was largely state sponsored (Blackbeard was an English Privateer before he turned Pirate after all.) Why do we see each group as largely independent sorts? Probably because while Pirates could work for a State or other political entity they are largely their own people not behelden to the general rules of conduct a regular navy ship was held to (dress how you want to dress, each crewman had a say in the ship's doings, they voted. Plus c'mon the image of drunken revelry is always good.) Ninjas? Theirs is a different sort. We don't think of them as just some random farmer with a few weeks crash course in how to murder. We think of them as highly skilled assassins' trained from birth to be living weapons.
So where on this do I fall? Why should I pick one side or another? They are both, at least according to DnD prestige classes of Thieves/Rouges. plus the modern equivalents (Somali Pirates and Al-Quida Terrorists) don't have the same charm or appeal since it's all one big bloody mess. Besides. What's to say you can't have a Ninja Pirate?
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